dv8 will get an immunity because they came into the tournament as non seeds
Come the semi final stage there wont be an immunity for any clan it will be a completely even playing field. If one non seed goes through they wont have an immunity in the semi finals. The only scenario where an immunity will exist in the semi finals is if all 4 seeds get knocked out in the groups
(I'm assuming you're talking about the handicap, but unfortunately you failed to clarify what point you are talking about, so there are two potential points I see you could be arguing)
I'm not saying that statement isnt true or is true but I did not say it, so why just flat out lie? You don't need to lie about what i've said to try and suit your agenda.
I'm opposed to this because, as explained before this is supposed to be a tournament to find the best CS clan. If a clan has a handicap and then narrowly wins, how does that truly decide the best clan? Can you imagine the drama that would ensue?
I don't really care either way, it just seemed like from the discussion we had the consensus was we weren't going to do this, and army generally says he will go with the majority, so I was wondering about his reasoning.
Also, could you please explain what you mean exactly by one immunity Army?
all i hear is we need the 1v1 round open to maps because we need eddy in cba hero 1v1 and beast in rcb 1v1, i think u cannot do random 1v1 with the entire list because u dont have any players strong enough accross cba,cba hero, rcb and bloods 1v1
Are you honestly serious with your argument technique? Aren't you supposed to be a university student? You basically said 'don't reply unless you agree with me', do you realise how ****ed up the world would be if everybody used that same logic? Sometimes (well, most of the time) you are a grade A m0ron. You know it's okay for others to have different views to you?
You realize we won the 1v1 round vs 7th without Beast or Eddy last TIW, right? As far as I know we actually have no plans what-so-ever to use them for our 1v1 picks lol
We have the #1 ranked player in random, and the chances are pretty high that it wont be cba/hero 1v1 (which he can still play, cant remember how many maps are in random pack, but the chances of cba/hero 1v1 have got to be what... 1 in 10?), but a blood he is good at, so it's really nothing to do with that, at all.
It's a clan tournament, not a solo tournament, using different players from your roster and choosing maps that fit your strengths to showcase your clans skill is the entire point, and it also includes more players (I didn't even know the random pack had cba in it tbh, so it's not really anything to do with that). I could make the same counter argument to you, you only want that because you have damian. But the fact is, i'm simply posting my honest opinion, and it has nothing to do with my clan, and I don't even know if the rest of the clan share my view. At the end of the day it's down to the community and army, if it get's voted in, it gets voted in and I won't have much of a problem with it.
But I feel it takes away from the point of a clan tournament and picking your best players for specific maps, and adds a 'luck' element. You can attack my character or my clan alliance all you want, but this is simply my honest opinion. If we're gonna make the 1v1 rnd random, whats to stop us making the 2v2 and tg rounds random too? What is the difference? This is a clan Cs tournament, not a random tournie. I don't care if you disagree with me, but thinking it is for the reasons you've stated, and telling me to 'not reply unless i agree with you' is honestly one of the most stupid things i've seen.
all i hear is we need the 1v1 round open to maps because we need eddy in cba hero 1v1 and beast in rcb 1v1, i think u cannot do random 1v1 with the entire list because u dont have any players strong enough accross cba,cba hero, rcb and bloods 1v1
Well duh. The argument for picking home maps in 1v1 is that it helps less skilled clans.
Ok guys there is no point having a go at each other, all i really want is what you would prefer come the semi final stage. I would appreciate if we didnt have a tit for tat argument on the matter and just share your opinion on what you prefer. It is perfectly fine to give a reason why you would prefer it but i dont want to hear why you think others prefer something else.
It wont be all random for the group stages because it puts non seeds at a disadvantage. What is open for discussion is should we have it in the semi finals stages, im easy either way i just want to get a majority decision on it.
i won't indulge in this argument as facts are facts, and it's a fact that playing random yes induces luck regarding the map but any well rounded player should be able to play all? it's sad late stages are a case of picking one players strongest (often only) map
ill give an example, if in 1v1 eot picked rcb 1v1 and played beast and for argument sake vs 7th and we played fran , what does this really say about the players, fran can top rcb at a top level with practice as can beast, but fran also plays loads more maps at a top level and hence is a better all around player, let's then assume 7th picks and wins another 1v1 1-1 then decider random then eot will play their best all around player (ie charlie) , idk just seems silly imo
basically it enables 1v1 players to pick their best map dis-regarding the fact they can't field decent bigger teams for those maps - and eot always go on about how all games should be tg's bla.. you can't deny that
anyway thanks again for all of the hard work mods like army are putting into this event, i think ppl forget all of the time and effort they put into hosting
i won't indulge in this argument as facts are facts, and it's a fact that playing random yes induces luck regarding the map but any well rounded player should be able to play all? it's sad late stages are a case of picking one players strongest (often only) map
ill give an example, if in 1v1 eot picked rcb 1v1 and played beast and for argument sake vs 7th and we played fran , what does this really say about the players, fran can top rcb at a top level with practice as can beast, but fran also plays loads more maps at a top level and hence is a better all around player, let's then assume 7th picks and wins another 1v1 1-1 then decider random then eot will play their best all around player (ie charlie) , idk just seems silly imo
basically it enables 1v1 players to pick their best map dis-regarding the fact they can't field decent bigger teams for those maps - and eot always go on about how all games should be tg's bla.. you can't deny that
anyway thanks again for all of the hard work mods like army are putting into this event, i think ppl forget all of the time and effort they put into hosting
But this is a clan tournament, not who has the strongest overall 1v1 player, but who has the best team of players. You say facts are facts but are u aware of what a fact is because nearly everything you've said are opinions you try to pass off as facts.
If I had my way there wouldn't be a 1v1 round as it has no place in a clan tournie imo, but as there is I just get over it. Playing Different home.maps also allows more players in the clan to participate rather than just using the best all round players.
If we're going to make the1v1 round random, why stop there? Why not do it in the 2v2 and tg round? What's special about the 1v1 round to merit random but no home maps?
I'm not really sure what your tg argument has to do with this at all...
Also lol @ saying you won't indulge the argument then writing an essay about it. You really can be a simple individual at times
Well writing my own opinion then thanking the hosts isn't indulging in that particular argument at all, usually an argument progresses via. each side stating their thoughts/opinions then following by rational discussion and critique of both sides points / concerns and closing statements.
As such I wouldn't have classed myself as 'indulging' and reject your opinion that I can simple at times and instead point back at you that you're putting on this whole front because you know competition (not even just 7th) would destroy eot in 1v1 2v2 random games when incorporating a list of maps spanning bloods & cbs, especially when not being allowed to use the same player etc. Having said that I'll grant you one reply as I have never considered the entire lot to be random:
I didn't say anything to the contrary; I'd personally love to see a list of agreed maps spanning CS put into a random pack and the whole tournament based on that, at least the latter stages. I just think we need to limit the maps to core bloods & cb's if this is to be the case.
I agree with Zanky. Home picks in 1v1 is gay. No one will want to waste veto on 1v1, and choosing 100% wins makes for boring games. 3 random matches better shows a player's all round ability and the 1v1 strengths and depth of a clan.
Well writing my own opinion then thanking the hosts isn't indulging in that particular argument at all, usually an argument progresses via. each side stating their thoughts/opinions then following by rational discussion and critique of both sides points / concerns and closing statements.
As such I wouldn't have classed myself as 'indulging' and reject your opinion that I can simple at times and instead point back at you that you're putting on this whole front because you know competition (not even just 7th) would destroy eot in 1v1 2v2 random games when incorporating a list of maps spanning bloods & cbs, especially when not being allowed to use the same player etc. Having said that I'll grant you one reply as I have never considered the entire lot to be random:
I didn't say anything to the contrary; I'd personally love to see a list of agreed maps spanning CS put into a random pack and the whole tournament based on that, at least the latter stages. I just think we need to limit the maps to core bloods & cb's if this is to be the case.
Are you serious? You mentioned eot SPECIFICALLY after you said you wouldn't indulge in the argument
You could've just posted your opinion without attacking eot, and let others post their opinion, but instead you do this crap, then claim you're not indulging the argument and continue to talk **** about eot after lol.
Perhaps you should take views on this from each clan in PM frankie, to stop this crap.
Also gotta laugh at "reject your opinion i can simple at times". Brilliant 11, can't make this **** up
And the argument for adding more random matches should apply for all rounds not just 1v1. Personally I love random elements but making 1v1 all random without doing it for all stages isn't practical.
Come the semi final stage there wont be an immunity for any clan it will be a completely even playing field. If one non seed goes through they wont have an immunity in the semi finals. The only scenario where an immunity will exist in the semi finals is if all 4 seeds get knocked out in the groups
Seems to be answered anyway.
I'm not saying that statement isnt true or is true but I did not say it, so why just flat out lie? You don't need to lie about what i've said to try and suit your agenda.
I'm opposed to this because, as explained before this is supposed to be a tournament to find the best CS clan. If a clan has a handicap and then narrowly wins, how does that truly decide the best clan? Can you imagine the drama that would ensue?
I don't really care either way, it just seemed like from the discussion we had the consensus was we weren't going to do this, and army generally says he will go with the majority, so I was wondering about his reasoning.
Also, could you please explain what you mean exactly by one immunity Army?
all i hear is we need the 1v1 round open to maps because we need eddy in cba hero 1v1 and beast in rcb 1v1, i think u cannot do random 1v1 with the entire list because u dont have any players strong enough accross cba,cba hero, rcb and bloods 1v1
You realize we won the 1v1 round vs 7th without Beast or Eddy last TIW, right? As far as I know we actually have no plans what-so-ever to use them for our 1v1 picks lol
We have the #1 ranked player in random, and the chances are pretty high that it wont be cba/hero 1v1 (which he can still play, cant remember how many maps are in random pack, but the chances of cba/hero 1v1 have got to be what... 1 in 10?), but a blood he is good at, so it's really nothing to do with that, at all.
It's a clan tournament, not a solo tournament, using different players from your roster and choosing maps that fit your strengths to showcase your clans skill is the entire point, and it also includes more players (I didn't even know the random pack had cba in it tbh, so it's not really anything to do with that). I could make the same counter argument to you, you only want that because you have damian. But the fact is, i'm simply posting my honest opinion, and it has nothing to do with my clan, and I don't even know if the rest of the clan share my view. At the end of the day it's down to the community and army, if it get's voted in, it gets voted in and I won't have much of a problem with it.
But I feel it takes away from the point of a clan tournament and picking your best players for specific maps, and adds a 'luck' element. You can attack my character or my clan alliance all you want, but this is simply my honest opinion. If we're gonna make the 1v1 rnd random, whats to stop us making the 2v2 and tg rounds random too? What is the difference? This is a clan Cs tournament, not a random tournie. I don't care if you disagree with me, but thinking it is for the reasons you've stated, and telling me to 'not reply unless i agree with you' is honestly one of the most stupid things i've seen.
Well duh. The argument for picking home maps in 1v1 is that it helps less skilled clans.
It wont be all random for the group stages because it puts non seeds at a disadvantage. What is open for discussion is should we have it in the semi finals stages, im easy either way i just want to get a majority decision on it.
(involves a bit of strategy with picking the right maps for yourself) and same time having your best overall player used for the random round.
all random is just pure luck really and teams that lose it and feel they got the **** end of the stick on that will no doubt complain/whine over it.
Also as barry said its better for the less skilled clans on top of my reasons above.
we talking semi finals and after
ill give an example, if in 1v1 eot picked rcb 1v1 and played beast and for argument sake vs 7th and we played fran , what does this really say about the players, fran can top rcb at a top level with practice as can beast, but fran also plays loads more maps at a top level and hence is a better all around player, let's then assume 7th picks and wins another 1v1 1-1 then decider random then eot will play their best all around player (ie charlie) , idk just seems silly imo
basically it enables 1v1 players to pick their best map dis-regarding the fact they can't field decent bigger teams for those maps - and eot always go on about how all games should be tg's bla.. you can't deny that
anyway thanks again for all of the hard work mods like army are putting into this event, i think ppl forget all of the time and effort they put into hosting
ill give an example, if in 1v1 eot picked rcb 1v1 and played beast and for argument sake vs 7th and we played fran , what does this really say about the players, fran can top rcb at a top level with practice as can beast, but fran also plays loads more maps at a top level and hence is a better all around player, let's then assume 7th picks and wins another 1v1 1-1 then decider random then eot will play their best all around player (ie charlie) , idk just seems silly imo
basically it enables 1v1 players to pick their best map dis-regarding the fact they can't field decent bigger teams for those maps - and eot always go on about how all games should be tg's bla.. you can't deny that
anyway thanks again for all of the hard work mods like army are putting into this event, i think ppl forget all of the time and effort they put into hosting
If I had my way there wouldn't be a 1v1 round as it has no place in a clan tournie imo, but as there is I just get over it. Playing Different home.maps also allows more players in the clan to participate rather than just using the best all round players.
If we're going to make the1v1 round random, why stop there? Why not do it in the 2v2 and tg round? What's special about the 1v1 round to merit random but no home maps?
I'm not really sure what your tg argument has to do with this at all...
Also lol @ saying you won't indulge the argument then writing an essay about it. You really can be a simple individual at times
As such I wouldn't have classed myself as 'indulging' and reject your opinion that I can simple at times and instead point back at you that you're putting on this whole front because you know competition (not even just 7th) would destroy eot in 1v1 2v2 random games when incorporating a list of maps spanning bloods & cbs, especially when not being allowed to use the same player etc. Having said that I'll grant you one reply as I have never considered the entire lot to be random:
I didn't say anything to the contrary; I'd personally love to see a list of agreed maps spanning CS put into a random pack and the whole tournament based on that, at least the latter stages. I just think we need to limit the maps to core bloods & cb's if this is to be the case.
As such I wouldn't have classed myself as 'indulging' and reject your opinion that I can simple at times and instead point back at you that you're putting on this whole front because you know competition (not even just 7th) would destroy eot in 1v1 2v2 random games when incorporating a list of maps spanning bloods & cbs, especially when not being allowed to use the same player etc. Having said that I'll grant you one reply as I have never considered the entire lot to be random:
I didn't say anything to the contrary; I'd personally love to see a list of agreed maps spanning CS put into a random pack and the whole tournament based on that, at least the latter stages. I just think we need to limit the maps to core bloods & cb's if this is to be the case.
You could've just posted your opinion without attacking eot, and let others post their opinion, but instead you do this crap, then claim you're not indulging the argument and continue to talk **** about eot after lol.
Perhaps you should take views on this from each clan in PM frankie, to stop this crap.
Also gotta laugh at "reject your opinion i can simple at times". Brilliant 11, can't make this **** up
And the argument for adding more random matches should apply for all rounds not just 1v1. Personally I love random elements but making 1v1 all random without doing it for all stages isn't practical.