And the argument for adding more random matches should apply for all rounds not just 1v1. Personally I love random elements but making 1v1 all random without doing it for all stages isn't practical.
Why is the topic focused on the 1v1 aspect of a CLAN war...
If you want a 1v1 round, then let the teams pick what they want like before... or take it out and play a clan tournament with 2v2/3v3/4v4 round.
The way I'm seeing this, is the only reason 7th want 1v1 random round is coz you don't have a single map which will guarantee you a win in 1v1 vs Eot, while you have no chance of winning Eots picks...And Ben doesn't want other clans to pick 1v1 cbs vs Vicious... Just make all rounds random or non of them, if you can't play a map, veto it, it's that simple no need to make threads everyday on "I suck at this map, please remove it coz I don't wanna waste my veto"
The way I'm seeing this, is the only reason 7th want 1v1 random round is coz you don't have a single map which will guarantee you a win in 1v1 vs Eot, while you have no chance of winning Eots picks...And Ben doesn't want other clans to pick 1v1 cbs vs Vicious... Just make all rounds random or non of them, if you can't play a map, veto it, it's that simple no need to make threads everyday on "I suck at this map, please remove it coz I don't wanna waste my veto"
'coz you don't have a single map which will guarantee you a win in 1v1 vs Eot'
do explain? I'd like some further information pls 11
my examples were beast in 1v1 rcb and you in cba hero 1v1
as for beast go see mine and damian's statistics vs him , im about 10-2 and d more wins than losses too
as for hero we have d/vezir who idk about win/loss but im sure could win and hence close games also, at least make a gg ie wouldnt be a white wash
my point however was that we have 1v1 players that play maps accross cs at the highest level not just 1, but out of interest pls tell us more maps eot can guarantee wins vs us in 1v1 11
and pls don't take this as a dig to beast, i do like the guy
'coz you don't have a single map which will guarantee you a win in 1v1 vs Eot'
do explain? I'd like some further information pls 11
my examples were beast in 1v1 rcb and you in cba hero 1v1
as for beast go see mine and damian's statistics vs him , im about 10-2 and d more wins than losses too
as for hero we have d/vezir who idk about win/loss but im sure could win and hence close games also, at least make a gg ie wouldnt be a white wash
my point however was that we have 1v1 players that play maps accross cs at the highest level not just 1, but out of interest pls tell us more maps eot can guarantee wins vs us in 1v1 11
and pls don't take this as a dig to beast, i do like the guy
No one asked, who won more games.
I never said rcb/cba hero are free wins for us but personally I would really like if you pick them or CBA/Ab vs us...
I agree with Zanky. Home picks in 1v1 is gay. No one will want to waste veto on 1v1, and choosing 100% wins makes for boring games. 3 random matches better shows a player's all round ability and the 1v1 strengths and depth of a clan.
If you're worried about a team using 'lame home picks' in 1v1... its better they get it out of the way during the 1v1 set than save those for the tg sets later on... if a clan has several maps they are stronger in.. they will just use those... I was pushing for a similar setup to last time with a bo5 partially for the reason I listed above... but most of you guys would rather bo3 it because of 'time restraints' when in reality adding an additional 2 1v1s or 2 2v2s wont make the match go that much longer.
all random set will just cause complaints 90% of the time... and its pretty much up to luck who wins those in the end.
Atleast with picks you can be strategic in someway and you still need to put up 3 different players over 3 maps... cant just rely on one person to win everything for you
'coz you don't have a single map which will guarantee you a win in 1v1 vs Eot'
do explain? I'd like some further information pls 11
my examples were beast in 1v1 rcb and you in cba hero 1v1
as for beast go see mine and damian's statistics vs him , im about 10-2 and d more wins than losses too
as for hero we have d/vezir who idk about win/loss but im sure could win and hence close games also, at least make a gg ie wouldnt be a white wash
my point however was that we have 1v1 players that play maps accross cs at the highest level not just 1, but out of interest pls tell us more maps eot can guarantee wins vs us in 1v1 11
and pls don't take this as a dig to beast, i do like the guy
You know picking RCB or CBA Hero vs us is extremely risky in 1v1, and you don't have any real 'safe' picks, that is what this is all about. This is also why you kick up the huge fuss about europe, you want to tailor this tournament to yourselves. Funny thing is if you would've just posted your opinion without the silly attack on eot, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Thing is, you're entitled to your opinion and I would've happily left it alone if you didn't try to attack my opinion and speculate as to why I have my opinion. Unfortunately you did, so I responded accordingly. No doubt Andreas will be here soon crying how eot 'start all the drama' lol
I wont post on this line of discussion anymore with you so whatever babbling response with faulty logic and a poor use of fallacies you present i will not respond to (and difference to you is, If i say I won't respond to you, I actually wont ) Frankie i really highly recommend if you're considering changing this you take opinions in private rather than on the forum.
Some of you are not seeing why home picks for 1v1 round is useless. Gather round children as I tell you why it is pointless. Let us have clan A in which a player is really strong in Khans, he is without a doubt the best around and clan A picks Khans Blood as their home map. Then we have clan B in which a player is really strong in RCB, he is without a doubt the best around and clan B picks RCB as their home map.
Both teams play the the two matches and the score is 1-1. Who would have expected anything else really, not me, because both clans won their home pick. So does even matter if those matches were played? Not really, its a tie and might aswell not have played those games at all... Now the random match is ahead and the best overall player is required, but what map is it going to pop up, we do not know. And then one team wins and then the other complains: "waaaaaaaaaaaa, the map was favouring them, waaaa". But to this I say, you lost, turns out that your player is not the best, how about complain it him for being **** at the map or tell him to become better, not blame the map that showed up.
And in the end, in a clan war/tournament (whatever you call it), the overall skill matters more, the one mappers will just tag along until their luck runs out in the random match and that is the end for them. That's all folks.
Now, everyone, please write in your notes/diaries whatever you have this statement "As a ego**** I will do my best to beat my enemy in the map they are better at, because then I can boast he is **** as **** and I can be finally happy."
Some of you are not seeing why home picks for 1v1 round is useless. Gather round children as I tell you why it is pointless. Let us have clan A in which a player is really strong in Khans, he is without a doubt the best around and clan A picks Khans Blood as their home map. Then we have clan B in which a player is really strong in RCB, he is without a doubt the best around and clan B picks RCB as their home map.
Both teams play the the two matches and the score is 1-1. Who would have expected anything else really, not me, because both clans won their home pick. So does even matter if those matches were played? Not really, its a tie and might aswell not have played those games at all... Now the random match is ahead and the best overall player is required, but what map is it going to pop up, we do not know. And then one team wins and then the other complains: "waaaaaaaaaaaa, the map was favouring them, waaaa". But to this I say, you lost, turns out that your player is not the best, how about complain it him for being **** at the map or tell him to become better, not blame the map that showed up.
And in the end, in a clan war/tournament (whatever you call it), the overall skill matters more, the one mappers will just tag along until their luck runs out in the random match and that is the end for them. That's all folks.
Now, everyone, please write in your notes/diaries whatever you have this statement "As a ego**** I will do my best to beat my enemy in the map they are better at, because then I can boast he is **** as **** and I can be finally happy."
This assumes both clans have '100%' wins, which isn't really the case across a lot of maps with the best clans.
Also, under this logic why would we only apply it to the 1v1 round? Why would we not apply this logic to the 2v2/3v3/4v4 round? it seems to me either make every round random or make none of the rounds random What's special about 1v1 to make it random but not 2v2?
In a CLAN war (keyword: CLAN), who is the best 'all round' player in 1v1 really shouldn't be that important, rather who can field the best team/players over a variety of maps. For it to be representative of a clans overall skill, they should be fielding their best player in each map... if a player who is strong in a variety of maps plays the random round, but a map he is weak in comes up, and the clan has a player who is much stronger but doesn't get to play his map, what does it really prove? Does it prove the clan is weaker in that map? No it doesn't, it has almost no relevance to the CLANS skill what-so-ever, at least fielding your best players for each map has SOME relevance to the clans skill (albeit small, as I don't really think 1v1 represents a clans skill).
I think if you really want to stop these '100%' wins (although as I said this isn't really so present in the seeded clans), then it's better to use more maps in the 1v1 round then just make it all random. It's a lot harder to choose 2 home picks than one, for example, especially if you enforce not just using one player for the whole round. Also, under your logic if both clans win their pick, it will go to a random decider round anyway, so really what's the issue?
I still think 1v1 has no place in a clan tournament though, to be honest. In my opinion it should be 2v2/3v3/4v4 only. Evidently this is all subjective and I have no issue with your opinion, this is just my view on it.
How about we introduce a new method called "Stopwatch". I say new, but it has been used since the dawn of time in FPS games. And the random match luck decider is not even required then, although this method takes more time since noone would resign eventhough they may be dead.
And the argument for adding more random matches should apply for all rounds not just 1v1. Personally I love random elements but making 1v1 all random without doing it for all stages isn't practical.
Why is the topic focused on the 1v1 aspect of a CLAN war...
If you want a 1v1 round, then let the teams pick what they want like before... or take it out and play a clan tournament with 2v2/3v3/4v4 round.
It's that kind of attitude that makes people less reluctant to help these things.
'coz you don't have a single map which will guarantee you a win in 1v1 vs Eot'
do explain? I'd like some further information pls 11
my examples were beast in 1v1 rcb and you in cba hero 1v1
as for beast go see mine and damian's statistics vs him , im about 10-2 and d more wins than losses too
as for hero we have d/vezir who idk about win/loss but im sure could win and hence close games also, at least make a gg ie wouldnt be a white wash
my point however was that we have 1v1 players that play maps accross cs at the highest level not just 1, but out of interest pls tell us more maps eot can guarantee wins vs us in 1v1 11
and pls don't take this as a dig to beast, i do like the guy
do explain? I'd like some further information pls 11
my examples were beast in 1v1 rcb and you in cba hero 1v1
as for beast go see mine and damian's statistics vs him , im about 10-2 and d more wins than losses too
as for hero we have d/vezir who idk about win/loss but im sure could win and hence close games also, at least make a gg ie wouldnt be a white wash
my point however was that we have 1v1 players that play maps accross cs at the highest level not just 1, but out of interest pls tell us more maps eot can guarantee wins vs us in 1v1 11
and pls don't take this as a dig to beast, i do like the guy
No one asked, who won more games.
I never said rcb/cba hero are free wins for us but personally I would really like if you pick them or CBA/Ab vs us...
all random set will just cause complaints 90% of the time... and its pretty much up to luck who wins those in the end.
Atleast with picks you can be strategic in someway and you still need to put up 3 different players over 3 maps... cant just rely on one person to win everything for you
do explain? I'd like some further information pls 11
my examples were beast in 1v1 rcb and you in cba hero 1v1
as for beast go see mine and damian's statistics vs him , im about 10-2 and d more wins than losses too
as for hero we have d/vezir who idk about win/loss but im sure could win and hence close games also, at least make a gg ie wouldnt be a white wash
my point however was that we have 1v1 players that play maps accross cs at the highest level not just 1, but out of interest pls tell us more maps eot can guarantee wins vs us in 1v1 11
and pls don't take this as a dig to beast, i do like the guy
Thing is, you're entitled to your opinion and I would've happily left it alone if you didn't try to attack my opinion and speculate as to why I have my opinion. Unfortunately you did, so I responded accordingly. No doubt Andreas will be here soon crying how eot 'start all the drama' lol
I wont post on this line of discussion anymore with you so whatever babbling response with faulty logic and a poor use of fallacies you present i will not respond to (and difference to you is, If i say I won't respond to you, I actually wont
Both teams play the the two matches and the score is 1-1. Who would have expected anything else really, not me, because both clans won their home pick. So does even matter if those matches were played? Not really, its a tie and might aswell not have played those games at all... Now the random match is ahead and the best overall player is required, but what map is it going to pop up, we do not know. And then one team wins and then the other complains: "waaaaaaaaaaaa, the map was favouring them, waaaa". But to this I say, you lost, turns out that your player is not the best, how about complain it him for being **** at the map or tell him to become better, not blame the map that showed up.
And in the end, in a clan war/tournament (whatever you call it), the overall skill matters more, the one mappers will just tag along until their luck runs out in the random match and that is the end for them. That's all folks.
Now, everyone, please write in your notes/diaries whatever you have this statement "As a ego**** I will do my best to beat my enemy in the map they are better at, because then I can boast he is **** as **** and I can be finally happy."
Both teams play the the two matches and the score is 1-1. Who would have expected anything else really, not me, because both clans won their home pick. So does even matter if those matches were played? Not really, its a tie and might aswell not have played those games at all... Now the random match is ahead and the best overall player is required, but what map is it going to pop up, we do not know. And then one team wins and then the other complains: "waaaaaaaaaaaa, the map was favouring them, waaaa". But to this I say, you lost, turns out that your player is not the best, how about complain it him for being **** at the map or tell him to become better, not blame the map that showed up.
And in the end, in a clan war/tournament (whatever you call it), the overall skill matters more, the one mappers will just tag along until their luck runs out in the random match and that is the end for them. That's all folks.
Now, everyone, please write in your notes/diaries whatever you have this statement "As a ego**** I will do my best to beat my enemy in the map they are better at, because then I can boast he is **** as **** and I can be finally happy."
Also, under this logic why would we only apply it to the 1v1 round? Why would we not apply this logic to the 2v2/3v3/4v4 round? it seems to me either make every round random or make none of the rounds random
In a CLAN war (keyword: CLAN), who is the best 'all round' player in 1v1 really shouldn't be that important, rather who can field the best team/players over a variety of maps. For it to be representative of a clans overall skill, they should be fielding their best player in each map... if a player who is strong in a variety of maps plays the random round, but a map he is weak in comes up, and the clan has a player who is much stronger but doesn't get to play his map, what does it really prove? Does it prove the clan is weaker in that map? No it doesn't, it has almost no relevance to the CLANS skill what-so-ever, at least fielding your best players for each map has SOME relevance to the clans skill (albeit small, as I don't really think 1v1 represents a clans skill).
I think if you really want to stop these '100%' wins (although as I said this isn't really so present in the seeded clans), then it's better to use more maps in the 1v1 round then just make it all random. It's a lot harder to choose 2 home picks than one, for example, especially if you enforce not just using one player for the whole round. Also, under your logic if both clans win their pick, it will go to a random decider round anyway, so really what's the issue?
I still think 1v1 has no place in a clan tournament though, to be honest. In my opinion it should be 2v2/3v3/4v4 only. Evidently this is all subjective and I have no issue with your opinion, this is just my view on it.