so I guess find out whos all gonna be motivated from the 'new' teams and if theres more than 3... do a fast playoff round between them to fight for their spot... if theres 3 thats the perfect number and we should be able to do a 8 team TIW this time around.
Army1, can you start finalising how the tournament is going to work, whether it be via editing original post or making a linked and locked topic with everything that's in concrete?
From what I gather:
2 groups of 4 round robin - four clans seeded
1v1 bo5/2v2 bo3/3v3 x5
Maps chosen by group proxy
2 weeks to play scheduled set
Same veto system as TIW
I've got some ideas to help make it more competitive for the lesser known clans, see what you guys think.
Unseeded teams may pick one/two home maps that cannot be vetoed - unless it's a decider/random pack game
Unseeded teams given one extra veto if above is too extreme
You can only play one 1v1 match unless decider required (idea behind this is to show the clan strength across the board, not have 1/2 guys carry team in the set).
Teams knocked out after round robin (ie won't make semi-finals) go into a draw for a prize if they completed every round robin set. Perhaps you can put them into a silver final bracket and the top 4 play in the gold bracket. Create a system that is going to encourage the new clans in the mix to stick with it and potentially get something out of it assuming they're unable to make gold bracket
If I come up with other ideas I'll let you know. I feel clans are important to the community - and over the years they're decreasing in presence. I'd like to see ways to encourage more clans to branch out into playing clan vs clan games in settings they may not usually try. If we can do that, without encouraging the poisonous kind of relationship Eot and 7th share with each other - it can only be positive for the community.
EDIT: Maybe Sean mentioned the idea of giving 'x' amount of time to schedule every clan set as a whole. ie 6 weeks to schedule 3 sets of games in the round robin stage.
few of us had mentioned 1v1 set being bo3.. 2v2 set bo5 3v3/4v4 being bo5 as well.. not sure what it will be though.
And I had mentioned giving 1 month to complete the 3 matches... maybe if teams dont have them all completed you can extend it a little at that one month mark... but 1 month should be enough to do the games... at the very least 2/3 of them completed.
sounds good, I also like the 1v1 idea. There would be Game A, B and C, you would have to tell army who of your clan members plays in which Game and then they have to play each other. No necessarily at the same time but one player can only play one match then.
sounds good, I also like the 1v1 idea. There would be Game A, B and C, you would have to tell army who of your clan members plays in which Game and then they have to play each other. No necessarily at the same time but one player can only play one match then.
thats a good idea tbh.. each player picks one for the respective home maps... and then one player plays a random decider and all games at the same time.
Well my thinking on the 1v1 section was that 1v1 should have more games than the 2v2 section to get the point from the section. If we are increasing the 2v2 section to bo5 i would still like to see the 1v1 section being bo5 and done like before where 1 player can only play 2 games. If we do have bo3 for the 1v1 section i would think the only reason for it was to reduce how long it takes to play a full set so I dont see why we should increase the 2v2 section. Naturally if we are going with bo3 for the 1v1 section it would have to be 3 different players (1 home map each, random decider). Come the semi final stage both would be bo5 but im open to having bo5 for the group stages as well.
Regarding having the 1v1 section as random for the games i would be against doing it in the group stages as i would feel it would put the non seeds at a disadvantage. Come the semi final stage I dont see a problem with it though I would perhaps suggest still having it as a bo5 format. Could perhaps have it so 1 home pick each and 3 random games with as before max of 2 games per player. In hindsight its good if the games are played at the same time but it never works out like that as players tend to like to watch how their team mates get on. So dont really think we should enforce it but of course if players want they can of course play at the same time and just leave that as an option.
I really like the idea regarding giving the non seeded teams something extra be it in some ways be it one home pick in each section that cant be vetoed or even give them an extra veto or both. Not sure what the rest think but i think they should get something extra.
[*]Teams knocked out after round robin (ie won't make semi-finals) go into a draw for a prize if they completed every round robin set. Perhaps you can put them into a silver final bracket and the top 4 play in the gold bracket. Create a system that is going to encourage the new clans in the mix to stick with it and potentially get something out of it assuming they're unable to make gold bracket
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I like the idea of 2 brackets after the group stage so am i right in saying hypothetically if the groups where say
Group A finishes:
1. dv8
2. DZ
3. XceL
4. Eot
Group B finishes:
1. Epic
2. Silent
3. Vicious
4. 7th
Then top v second and third v 4th in each group so it would end up
Gold Section Semi Final:
dv8 v silent and epic v dz
Winners play in Grand Final and losers play in 3rd/4th playoff
Silver Section Semi Final:
Vicious v eot and xcel v 7th
Winners play in Final of silver section and losers play in 3rd/4th of Silver Section.
Would be nice if we could get some kind of prize for winning the silver section as well, maybe clan premium and some kind of badge like we will be doing for the overall winners. The name of the Badge might be similar and could be called something like TIW silver section champion or something like that.
I think we are set on the 4 seeds, the question now is how can we get to 2 groups of 4. So we have RB, dv8, silent, dmz, epic and dz all fighting for a place in the group so far. So 6 clans we could do some kind of tournament based on the 2015 set up as in the maps and layout to determine who goes through.
So we could do a random draw of who plays who example:
dv8 v dz
silent v rb
The winner of those games qualifies for the group and the loser plays one of the the teams not drawn out initially first. So in this example epic and dmz would play the loser of one of the games and the winner of that game would qualify. This way every team will have to win against another clan to get into the group. Once we have this determined i will get some kind of live draw done on the groups like we done before.
I can get this all drawn up relatively quickly with regards the set up for 2016, the big question for me now is when in 2016 are we going to do the tournament? I think so far eot and xcel both want it as early in the year as possible so that would mean starting the main groups in Feb with the qualifiers to get into the group being in Jan. I would like some feedback when people want it, in the meantime I will be contacting the clans who have expressed an interest in playing to find out how serious they are to play in the tourney and to find out who their clan rep is etc...
I wont be removing them though i could potentially offer 1.5 or 2 points for 1v1 section and 1.5 or 2 points for 2v2 section. Problem though in offering more points for these sections is that the 1v1 and 2v2 section normally get done first so if you where to say lose in both sections you could potentially lose the overall set much faster
I wont be removing them though i could potentially offer 1.5 or 2 points for 1v1 section and 1.5 or 2 points for 2v2 section. Problem though in offering more points for these sections is that the 1v1 and 2v2 section normally get done first so if you where to say lose in both sections you could potentially lose the overall set much faster
No one wants to play 5 games for 1 point, it just makes the match-up take a lot longer with little reward.
From what I gather:
I've got some ideas to help make it more competitive for the lesser known clans, see what you guys think.
If I come up with other ideas I'll let you know. I feel clans are important to the community - and over the years they're decreasing in presence. I'd like to see ways to encourage more clans to branch out into playing clan vs clan games in settings they may not usually try. If we can do that, without encouraging the poisonous kind of relationship Eot and 7th share with each other - it can only be positive for the community.
EDIT: Maybe Sean mentioned the idea of giving 'x' amount of time to schedule every clan set as a whole. ie 6 weeks to schedule 3 sets of games in the round robin stage.
And I had mentioned giving 1 month to complete the 3 matches... maybe if teams dont have them all completed you can extend it a little at that one month mark... but 1 month should be enough to do the games... at the very least 2/3 of them completed.
For the 2v2 set, two home maps each and random decider?
3v3/4v4 set 2 home maps each and random decider?
Regarding having the 1v1 section as random for the games i would be against doing it in the group stages as i would feel it would put the non seeds at a disadvantage. Come the semi final stage I dont see a problem with it though I would perhaps suggest still having it as a bo5 format. Could perhaps have it so 1 home pick each and 3 random games with as before max of 2 games per player. In hindsight its good if the games are played at the same time but it never works out like that as players tend to like to watch how their team mates get on. So dont really think we should enforce it but of course if players want they can of course play at the same time and just leave that as an option.
I really like the idea regarding giving the non seeded teams something extra be it in some ways be it one home pick in each section that cant be vetoed or even give them an extra veto or both. Not sure what the rest think but i think they should get something extra.
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I like the idea of 2 brackets after the group stage so am i right in saying hypothetically if the groups where say
Group A finishes:
1. dv8
2. DZ
3. XceL
4. Eot
Group B finishes:
1. Epic
2. Silent
3. Vicious
4. 7th
Then top v second and third v 4th in each group so it would end up
Gold Section Semi Final:
dv8 v silent and epic v dz
Winners play in Grand Final and losers play in 3rd/4th playoff
Silver Section Semi Final:
Vicious v eot and xcel v 7th
Winners play in Final of silver section and losers play in 3rd/4th of Silver Section.
Would be nice if we could get some kind of prize for winning the silver section as well, maybe clan premium and some kind of badge like we will be doing for the overall winners. The name of the Badge might be similar and could be called something like TIW silver section champion or something like that.
I think we are set on the 4 seeds, the question now is how can we get to 2 groups of 4. So we have RB, dv8, silent, dmz, epic and dz all fighting for a place in the group so far. So 6 clans we could do some kind of tournament based on the 2015 set up as in the maps and layout to determine who goes through.
So we could do a random draw of who plays who example:
dv8 v dz
silent v rb
The winner of those games qualifies for the group and the loser plays one of the the teams not drawn out initially first. So in this example epic and dmz would play the loser of one of the games and the winner of that game would qualify. This way every team will have to win against another clan to get into the group. Once we have this determined i will get some kind of live draw done on the groups like we done before.
I can get this all drawn up relatively quickly with regards the set up for 2016, the big question for me now is when in 2016 are we going to do the tournament? I think so far eot and xcel both want it as early in the year as possible so that would mean starting the main groups in Feb with the qualifiers to get into the group being in Jan. I would like some feedback when people want it, in the meantime I will be contacting the clans who have expressed an interest in playing to find out how serious they are to play in the tourney and to find out who their clan rep is etc...