You gotta look at it from an objective point of view though. I can totally understand that you as a clan who favors bloods say it favored CB clans cause of the things you mentioned. But imagine youre a clan who favors CBs and had to deal with a list fo 15-20 blood maps. Even with 20 vetos you would still end up with bloods only for the opponents team home maps. Other than that, isnt the whole point of home maps picking maps youre better in? How could I call my picks a home map if all the CBs would be vetoed out and I had to pick blood maps Im not good in? That makes no sense.

//edit: of course it favored teams that play both at a good level, and that was 7th without doubt. Eot is a bit better than 7th in bloods, dv8 is a bit better in CBA than 7th. But 7th still had fairly good chances to win the other teams home maps, and thats what gave them the advantage.

last tournament there was no team who couldnt really compete in bloods atleast in some area.. all teams were blood clans with blood players and had at the very least a good team of 3. The problem was some teams were hardly CB oriented or had very few and you had no way of actually vetoing a CB you didnt want to play without wasting all your vetos... so you had to just suck it up and basically guarantee lose several maps.

I do actually agree though with you now that I think about it.. a veto taking out an entire map from all sets would kill motivation of a clan like dv8 currently (with your roster) because most teams with just auto take away your CB options.. so maybe sticking to the old system with vetos is best... 3 vetos total and it takes away the map from the set you select it on.

it's simply unfair to have loads of blood maps and few cb's... it's also unrepresentative

this isn't me speaking for 7th because we are strong in both, it's me arguing for the 'other' clans, if same style is to be be played as the last one, should be just the top 4 clans playing tbh

Barely anyone plays RCB TG lets exclude that.

let me make an example;

Epic vs Eot_

Epic will pick CBA / HERO / RCB and then be entirely stuck on other maps so will probably pick the bloods they've practised most which is ab/smosh/gwarz

eot will pick idk europe, smosh, khans, woa & graves PURE EXAMPLE BTW not saying u would

eot would clearly win all bloods, they could veto the cb's to play even more bloods too if they wanted... epic would veto say europe, woa and graves and then eot can pick others like path, km & vet

there's just no hope for outsider clans without agreeing to a fair, representative map pack for all

then exclude euro 11, rcb about 50 x more active than euro... big 3v3 4v4 games are rare correct, 1v1 2v2 , ffa and 2v2v2v2 are very common and i see them all day every day without fail

Joking aside. I think this might as well be cba centric and have something different for blooders such as actual wars cough.

There is no 'fair representative' map list... the map list you suggested earlier is basically what will happen regardless... if you are a more well rounded clan and know more maps overall and have higher skill you will have more maps to pick from... likely there will be 6 total CBA/CBA heroes combined as last TIW. (Both maps in all 3 sets) as well as RCB and maybe some other CB will pop up somewhere. Only a very few select blood maps will be in all 3 sets) probably just smosh to be honest... so if you are very weak at a certain blood its easy to just get rid of it.

If you want more clans to participate, we need to add more CB's to the tournament. It is as easy as that. Or rules about not being able to veto the maps that 90% of CS play lol. The majority of CS dont play bloods. They prefer to play gay maps like Hero. Last TIW bloods had also dominated the entire tournament. Like Zanchy said this may sound biased but it is not really. We play both on a high level.

how c an we add more CBs to a tournament with already the most CBs possible? CBA and CBA hero were part of every set... CBX was also there.. as well as RCB.

No one really wants to play mcb and none of these clans have any real known 'mcb' players.. BYO cb im always fine with... but the same process will happen... maps will be voted on and majority will be added... as neutral as things can be done really... if people want so many CBs they can have their vote made and time will tell what the map list will be.

All I was trying to say with the posts I made earlier is that you should use the same system that was used last year. CBA oriented clans can still pick CBA/Hero as home maps while Bloods oriented clans can pick their favorite bloods as home maps. Dont add more CBs but also dont take more of them away by playing around with the veto system. Clans who are good in both obviously will have the advantage but thats how its supposed to be, its neither a CBA nor a Bloods tournament.

The maps that can be picked will be completely down to the vote process

We are the opposite of dv8, i think we lost every single CB map we played in the tournament lol

And i think its fair that both bloods/cbs should be included, dont cater to either side.

dv8 is most likely going to play. I talked to Playboy and Leonidas today and they both want to play. Playmobil wasnt online today but Im sure he will too. So count us in.

happy days really glad to see you guys playing. i think its very admirable you offering not to be seeded but i will respect what you want though the option is there for you