@marvel if old school or blooders dont give a **** about cb clans or new players then 90% of cs players also dont give a **** you and other old players...
If they do not give a hoot, then why are so many of them begging, trolling, insulting and spamming other stuff on this thread?
dont you think this is biased for the new clans/players to compete with who are playing old maps from 10+ years... @marvel if old school or blooders dont give a **** about cb clans or new players then 90% of cs players also dont give a **** you and other old players... and i read many post regarding "let these kids have their own cb tourney" if cb based clan boycott tiw for favouring bloods over cb's it will be a max of 30 player playing in this tourney...
no. frankly none of you guys have understood any of my posts, ive said that last years tiw was quite unrepresentative of the maps voted; this was a result of the way the vote analysis was carried out, for example we had like 12 maps for 2v2 and 18 for tg
IF we do it this year so that we have 5-8 for 1v1, 5-10 for 2v2 and 8-12 for tg the most popular votes (aka cba hero, cba and rcb) will be LESS diluted and more represented, let's take an example:
If cba hero is diluted with 17 other maps, it has a particular worth / map share, which is 1/18
If cba hero is diluted with only 11 other maps, it had a map share of 1/12 ... put simply cba hero carries more weight
imagine this with cba hero, cba, rcb, cbx ............... and any other CB's
.... THEN imagine, unlike previous years, clans being able to DOUBLE vote for each map....
THEN IMAGINE an immunity for each clan to play their home map.... what you end up with is (probably) at a lot more of a well rounded tournament.....
How about changing the format in the TG rounds (3 v 3/4 v 4) from:
-each clan picking 2 or 3 home maps,
- 1 random round
to a system where:
-each clan picks 1 home map
-1 random CB round (with CBA, CBA hero, RCB and CBX in the mappack)
-1 random bloods round (with Khans, Smosh, Vetz and Gwars in the mappack)
-1 full random round (all voted maps are in)
for bo5
I'd suggest not allowing Veto's for the random CB/Bloods rounds, and that the generated map should be played even if it has been played already.
I thought about this and it seems better in every way:
-More actual relevant maps are sure to be played instead of the obscure maps
-Better balance between bloods/CB's
Still in cb list everyone wants cba. Hero. RCB, maybe 1 out of 10 will cbf cbx etc.
So random will be mostly bloods.
New teams doesn't know bloods at all
problem with entirely random is u need to play many games to make it more representative than luck, besides picks makes clans come active, pick maps, form strategies etc , could be good for getting ppl playing again
Still in cb list everyone wants cba. Hero. RCB, maybe 1 out of 10 will cbf cbx etc.
So random will be mostly bloods.
New teams doesn't know bloods at all
All I am seeing that people are in their comfort zones and unwilling to play scenarios that they do not know well enough. This is not how you can claim to be better than someone else. If you want to truly be better than Eot_ for instance, you have to beat them in their home maps, otherwise your claim holds no value. If you won a CBA Hero match against Eot_ would that mean anything? The answer is no. When competing with others you have to play on their playground, not on your own. Sean already said that his clan will not back out of a CB pick from a CB orientated clan, so what is the big deal here?
That being said, it is only fair that the Bloods category is most presented as it is the most competitive and the broadest category available for competitive gaming. The CB category is just a small branch from Bloods and when you look at the scenarios they are not much different. CB clans are not thrown into a tournament which almost entirely consit of Build and Destroy related scenarios, which have major differences between them.
And last but not least, CBA is a Blood, believe it or not, but having 4 Castles instead of a Tower does not mean you know nothing about an average Blood scenario, if you tell yourself that, then you are just lying to yourself. All the basics are the same.
PS! Be lucky that noone votes in Teams TD II or Roll The Dice or perhaps even TTF Racing, because you would be royally screwed in those scenarios and guess what, those mentioned scenarios are much more representative of someone's overall skill level in CS than your precious CBA Hero.
Get Primez and his crybaby crew to host a CB based tournament, or someone with some credibility in that community like Savas if they genuinely want one.
You did say "that community" as Ive already pointed out before and as a native english speaker you should know that the word "that" refers to something previously mentioned. If you are unsure about your mother language, feel free to go to this site [You must login to view link]
The only thing that could be considered a community in your post prior to that part was "Primez and his crybaby crew" ergo did you indeed put me in the same boat as him. Dont try to get yourself out of that, mister, by blabbering some far-fetched nonsense.
As for Eot_/7th, they've proven time and again they're the best around in overall CS. Dv8 and xCs may be brilliant in CBA/Hero and the stronger in those two maps, but those maps aren't given wins against either 7th or Eot_. Tell me what maps would be given wins against 7th or Eot? Then tell me there isn't maps that wouldn't be a given win for Eot_ or 7th. The truth may be condescending to you, so prove me wrong and win TIW. It'll be great to see a new clan come out on top, even if the community have to reel in the power of Eot_ and 7th by manipulating an already successful TIW structure lel.
**** I don't even get along with a lot of Eot_ or 7th, you really think I'd say such things if it wasn't without honesty and integrity? I'm definitely mad bruh, yeah good one
Do Eot_ and 7th think I'm wrong in suggesting they're heavy favourites for another TIW or am I too out of touch with a boring dying CS?
As for the rest of your post, I can ensure you that mirrored matched of CBA, CBA hero and CBX are given wins for the current dv8 roster no matter which opponent whereas RCB are a given loss for us against those two clans. The CBA players of 7th havent played in months if you didnt notice, Damian, Phurriz, Sirwan and Vezir all didnt play at all. And you overestimate Eot when it comes to CBA, most of the oldschoolers who dont keep up with whats actually being played in the lobby do.
An already successful TiW structure? Maybe from Vicious' point of view. A random decider where you have a 80% chance of a Blood coming up is fair for everyone? The ability to use a few vetos in the important TG matches to get rid of all CBs while having a pool of 12+ Blood maps to pick from yourself is fair for everyone? I dont think so. There has to be some changes otherwise the next TiW is just gonna be Vicious, Xcel and Eot.
But yes, Eot and 7th (if they play) are obviously again the top favorites of winning the next TiW, but you did say something like 70% CB, 30% Bloods and they would still DESTROY everyone. That is just in your imagination
dont you think this is biased for the new clans/players to compete with who are playing old maps from 10+ years... @marvel if old school or blooders dont give a **** about cb clans or new players then 90% of cs players also dont give a **** you and other old players... and i read many post regarding "let these kids have their own cb tourney" if cb based clan boycott tiw for favouring bloods over cb's it will be a max of 30 player playing in this tourney...
Were gonna find a way to make it so that CB's are played more in the tournament itself but same time keeping bloods as a bigger factor overall (not by much) and including more alternative into the map selection as well... So far only CB kid that has been crying about the format is Primez who wants basically 90% + of this tournament to be CBs because you have mostly noobs playing the map and keeping it alive... and I can tell you that if you and primez team boycott the tournament you're the only ones who would be losing out 11... and it wont be 30 people playing only
Yes not in cba, but in cba hero.
We won Xcel / cmz the clans only top at last Cs-Clans ( now they joined together in 7th)
2x2 3x3 4x4
And holded rank 1 till they delete it.
And Marvel sir,
As you said you guys make the tourney for you guys ( even tiw for you guys your well known maps )
But change it description not Best clan of the year tournament 2016 ( those maps not even being played majority of CS . Even you people's not playing it regularly , don't say works busy etc etc.)
That is My problem and majority of regular players ( first play regularly then you can hear each players opinion live in game rooms)
!!
I asked you to participate thinking you wouldnt be such an annoying **** so that was my fault Primez... you cant change what you are. Bloods may be inactive currently but the Blood Community has always been the most elite community on CS. You get fueled by Fast car trying to troll with you and think people stand by your opinion and agree with you, they dont. CB people want bloods to be included and malte is fighting for cb's to be more involved in the tournament not for 3 maps to be the main and only focus of a TIW tournament.
Either get on board with whats happening and provide actually a proper opinion and give your side of things, or **** off and just stay off the thread... what you want is NEVER going to happen no matter how many times you cry about it.
P.S. no one gives a **** about your stint as #1 on the cs-clans ladder... majority of teams including XceL/Eot/7th have all been at 1st place at some point on that ladder and it was done playing more than 1 map only.
You are wrong though, Malte. The word "that" is used because the term "CB" was already mentioned once in that sentence and to make it sound more fluent "CB" is replaced with "that". Let alone the fact that you would not be talking about a CB based tournament in the first place, if it did not have a community behind it.
If they do not give a hoot, then why are so many of them begging, trolling, insulting and spamming other stuff on this thread?
YOU GUYS PAST TENSE !
no. frankly none of you guys have understood any of my posts, ive said that last years tiw was quite unrepresentative of the maps voted; this was a result of the way the vote analysis was carried out, for example we had like 12 maps for 2v2 and 18 for tg
IF we do it this year so that we have 5-8 for 1v1, 5-10 for 2v2 and 8-12 for tg the most popular votes (aka cba hero, cba and rcb) will be LESS diluted and more represented, let's take an example:
If cba hero is diluted with 17 other maps, it has a particular worth / map share, which is 1/18
If cba hero is diluted with only 11 other maps, it had a map share of 1/12 ... put simply cba hero carries more weight
imagine this with cba hero, cba, rcb, cbx ............... and any other CB's
.... THEN imagine, unlike previous years, clans being able to DOUBLE vote for each map....
THEN IMAGINE an immunity for each clan to play their home map.... what you end up with is (probably) at a lot more of a well rounded tournament.....
-each clan picking 2 or 3 home maps,
- 1 random round
to a system where:
-each clan picks 1 home map
-1 random CB round (with CBA, CBA hero, RCB and CBX in the mappack)
-1 random bloods round (with Khans, Smosh, Vetz and Gwars in the mappack)
-1 full random round (all voted maps are in)
for bo5
I'd suggest not allowing Veto's for the random CB/Bloods rounds, and that the generated map should be played even if it has been played already.
I thought about this and it seems better in every way:
-More actual relevant maps are sure to be played instead of the obscure maps
-Better balance between bloods/CB's
So random will be mostly bloods.
New teams doesn't know bloods at all
So random will be mostly bloods.
New teams doesn't know bloods at all
All I am seeing that people are in their comfort zones and unwilling to play scenarios that they do not know well enough. This is not how you can claim to be better than someone else. If you want to truly be better than Eot_ for instance, you have to beat them in their home maps, otherwise your claim holds no value. If you won a CBA Hero match against Eot_ would that mean anything? The answer is no. When competing with others you have to play on their playground, not on your own. Sean already said that his clan will not back out of a CB pick from a CB orientated clan, so what is the big deal here?
That being said, it is only fair that the Bloods category is most presented as it is the most competitive and the broadest category available for competitive gaming. The CB category is just a small branch from Bloods and when you look at the scenarios they are not much different. CB clans are not thrown into a tournament which almost entirely consit of Build and Destroy related scenarios, which have major differences between them.
And last but not least, CBA is a Blood, believe it or not, but having 4 Castles instead of a Tower does not mean you know nothing about an average Blood scenario, if you tell yourself that, then you are just lying to yourself. All the basics are the same.
PS! Be lucky that noone votes in Teams TD II or Roll The Dice or perhaps even TTF Racing, because you would be royally screwed in those scenarios and guess what, those mentioned scenarios are much more representative of someone's overall skill level in CS than your precious CBA Hero.
Noobish Sir !
The only thing that could be considered a community in your post prior to that part was "Primez and his crybaby crew" ergo did you indeed put me in the same boat as him. Dont try to get yourself out of that, mister, by blabbering some far-fetched nonsense.
**** I don't even get along with a lot of Eot_ or 7th, you really think I'd say such things if it wasn't without honesty and integrity? I'm definitely mad bruh, yeah good one
Do Eot_ and 7th think I'm wrong in suggesting they're heavy favourites for another TIW or am I too out of touch with a boring dying CS?
An already successful TiW structure? Maybe from Vicious' point of view. A random decider where you have a 80% chance of a Blood coming up is fair for everyone? The ability to use a few vetos in the important TG matches to get rid of all CBs while having a pool of 12+ Blood maps to pick from yourself is fair for everyone? I dont think so. There has to be some changes otherwise the next TiW is just gonna be Vicious, Xcel and Eot.
But yes, Eot and 7th (if they play) are obviously again the top favorites of winning the next TiW, but you did say something like 70% CB, 30% Bloods and they would still DESTROY everyone. That is just in your imagination
We won Xcel / cmz the clans only top at last Cs-Clans ( now they joined together in 7th)
2x2 3x3 4x4
And holded rank 1 till they delete it.
And Marvel sir,
As you said you guys make the tourney for you guys ( even tiw for you guys your well known maps )
But change it description not Best clan of the year tournament 2016 ( those maps not even being played majority of CS . Even you people's not playing it regularly , don't say works busy etc etc.)
That is My problem and majority of regular players ( first play regularly then you can hear each players opinion live in game rooms)
!!
Either get on board with whats happening and provide actually a proper opinion and give your side of things, or **** off and just stay off the thread... what you want is NEVER going to happen no matter how many times you cry about it.
P.S. no one gives a **** about your stint as #1 on the cs-clans ladder... majority of teams including XceL/Eot/7th have all been at 1st place at some point on that ladder and it was done playing more than 1 map only.
You are wrong though, Malte. The word "that" is used because the term "CB" was already mentioned once in that sentence and to make it sound more fluent "CB" is replaced with "that". Let alone the fact that you would not be talking about a CB based tournament in the first place, if it did not have a community behind it.