You keep talking about these 'inactive clans & players' im assuming you mean the same players who play bloods as well as CB's and who place top of every tournament there is? Because I think I speak for all the top clans when I say they would like CBs AND bloods involved (7th/Eot/XceL/xCs/dv8/ViCiouS) No one as far as ive seen really has argued that the next TIW should be entirely CB based as that will never work or even be made into a real tournament (just the truth) people are arguing that CB's should be played more and be more involved in the tournament itself

im trying to say is " why no chance for new clans in any single tournament with a small prize ( silver for 2-3 months ) even ?
i have told an idea about this to aniket. that is two type of brackets i mean - top side are pro clans
down side noobs / new / avg clans at finals the top clan winner vs down side winner will play for final for the spot 1 2 . understood? so the new clan will get motivated!.
everytime everyone here want a blood tournament so they bloods maps will be played again in CS.
but its surely wont work.( also not working yet) .
CS-Random at starting made a good launch but existing blooders ruined it.
1. insulting player cuz of loose because he dont know map.
2. GO back to cba ! bloods is not for u.
3. refused to teach / give tips about maps to the spectators whom ask why ? how ? etc.
4. Smurfing to begginer blooders and bashing him just to increase your streaks / win loose ratio.

do not underestimate this.
1.everyone wants quality equal level matches.
2. 2k blooders team vs 16xx Blooders team is not good idea.
3. dont say top clans have to face off at first round itself. dont say they need to meet at final round by differnet bracket set.
4. new teams should play equal level skill matches. and play more hours or more matches . so they will think " we can win even vs pros , just all we need its number of games and experiances"
5. as pro teams want hard games and more micro games . and New teams wants to learn / play more etc.
6. the new players wont learn by playing against pro teams. they have no chances since Patroling micros / adding extra quickly etc. so they will think " **** this noob map, we goto cba hero "

i know someone will say this is TIW there is gold silver brozen leagues.
First Decied the Maps then tell this. if this tiw also same as pasts = go same settings.
if want to give chances and get new winner results then make a discuss and take a survey !
not in forums because 10% of CS players use Forums.
there or plenty of peoples would like to have a tournament .
polaris said me to participate in tiw. then i made a room and invited my new team mates. they are too interested in the tournament stuff , they never heard about this before.
like my team there are lot CS teams like this.

can you just go make another thread and talk about whatever it is you're talking about? I really have trouble figuring out what you're trying to say but it doesnt seem to be about TIW for the most part so better to keep your opinions on different tournaments off a TIW discussion thread?

Ok, Im gonna propose a system for the tournament myself. I will puzzle together several ideas mentioned in this topic which I thought were a good idea.

Format:

• 1v1: BO3, one map pick from each team + Random decider, 1 point total
• 2v2: BO3, one map pick from each team + Random decider, 1 point total
• 3v3/4v4: BO5: two map picks from each team + Random decider, 5 points total - 1 per map

//The format itself of 2016s TiW was fine imo. Extending it with more maps might have its pros but I think some of the match ups in 2016 were already long enough. The first match up that comes to mind is 7th vs Vicious, especially Hero Fest which lasted for hours, was saved, had a back and forth discussion for like half an hour and was not even replayed in the end. And that was just one map. Then there were the spot fixing, the veto trouble, the breaks, players going afk or disconnecting and so on. Having more maps would certainly increase competition and variety but could probably make some match ups last up to 8 hours or even longer. Nobody wants to play that in one go and splitting it up onto two days gives even more headache cause you gotta schedule again. Many teams had already trouble finding a day that suits both teams since there was always this one important player of either team missing. Anyway, lets move on.

Map pool:

• 1v1: 3 CBs, 4 Bloods, 3 Alternatives, total of 10 maps
• 2v2: 3 CBs, 4 Bloods, 3 Alternatives, total of 10 maps
• 3v3/4v4: 4 CBs, 6 Bloods, 4 Alternatives, total of 14 maps

//We have had 10/10/18 map pools in 2016 which was a fair amount imo. Splitting those up into smaller sub-map pools makes the map distribution across all areas of CS fairer. No area of CS will either have too many or too less maps to pick from. Especially the random deciders should be fairer then since all cathegories are more or less the same size. The deciders in 2016s TiW were in favor of the Blood clans for example as there were way more bloods in the map pools as CBs or Alternative maps. Bloods should still get a very slight number advantage though as they can provide more competitive maps and fill up the map pools to a decent size without having to pick crap maps from the CB or Alternative area.

Map pool voting:

• 1v1: 5 votes per team, one map can be picked twice if desired
• 2v2: 5 votes per team, one map can be picked twice if desired
• 3v3/4v4: 10 votes per team, two maps can be picked twice if desired

// The amount of votes available for each clan were fine in 2016. But the possibility to pick one map in 1v1, one in 2v2, and two in 3v3/4v4 twice is a good idea so you can make sure your favorite maps have a higher chance of making it into the map pool. After all, you also have one home pick in 1v1, one in 2v2 and two in 3v3/4v4. A map not making it into a map pool because it received only one vote even though its the map you are best in, is unfortunate and should not happen (again). Remember, that even if it makes it into the map pool it doesnt mean that you are going to play that map as the opponent team can still make use of one of their vetos to get rid of it.

Picking home maps:

• 1v1: You can pick any* map out of the corresponding map pool.
• 2v2: You can pick any* map out of the corresponding map pool.
• 3v3/4v4: You can pick two maps out of the corresponding map pool, but they have to be from two different cathegories. So either CB+Blood, Blood+Alt or CB+Alt.
  
  *A map cannot be picked twice in one match up.

// The rules are pretty much the same as in 2016 with one exception. You cannot pick two maps of the same cathegory in the 3v3/4v4 set. That is to prevent the overuse of one certain cathegory. So for example a team cannot pick 2 Bloods, both get vetod, pick 2 more bloods, one more gets vetod, pick another Blood. This is not only to make things fairer but also to make it more interesting and bring more variety into the tournament. In 2016 it was possible to have two Blood clans playing 4 Bloods (or even 5 with the decider) which could be pretty boring for some spectators as many Bloods are pretty similar. Same thing with CBs, there were match ups in the qualifiers, silver or bronze league where spectators had to watch 2x CBA and 2x CBA Hero which can get boring. But that cannot happen with that small rule adjustment.

Other stuff:
One team should have 3 vetos per match up like in 2016. No immunities, it should already be fair enough that way imo.

//edit: Might aswell remove the vetos too. Saves time and trouble and they arent THAT useful anyway.

7th inactive . so eot want to place rank 1.
i can feel that bro

If 7th doesnt play then there isnt a point in hosting the tournament actually imo... us winning TIW with 7th not in attendance isnt really worth a thing

All this is based and hoping that we can keep the same top teams to come back and play again atleast ( Eot 7th ViCiouS dv8 XceL xCs ) and then other clans can prove themselves as well and get better.. Hopefully having a bigger turnout than last year.

tiw is just for 7th / eot / xcel / vicious.
not for other teams. so keep it up !!
and call top clan of the year 11 . look at cs lobby and tiw best clan tourney maps

i really have doubt that more clan will participate in this tiw than last tiw

theres 6 top clans who can all play at a high level... and other clans are there as well who can participate Primez. Whether its to see how they do against top competition or just playing it for fun... that was the entire reason the Bronze Silver & Gold League were created... so you could play maps vs stronger opponents and as well vs teams who are closer to your level.

As I said if you want to go and rant about bs just go make your own thread... I dont really understand what you're even trying to say in most of your posts.

ok simple words.
why tournament with big prizez for just you 4 clans ?
7th / eot / xcel / vicious.
none of other clan is really a bloods team .
they just wanna see whats on this tourney like i particiapted last time.

because the players from the top 6 clans make up the biggest competition in all of voobly? I still dont get what your problem is 11.

Last TIW all you did was talk about how good you are Primez and how easy these tournaments are... so find a team of other skilled players and prove it?

i always get bad team . last time bad team but still managed to silver finals .
its not about my skills talks. its not top 6 clans. only 4. new two teams splited by eot / 7th or xcel?
you guys can have unrated tournaments.
or Vintage Top clans war .
you guys are Past tense .
no need such a tournament with big prizez for past top clans / old school maps.
look at CS lobby and the maps played .

no xCs & dv8 are both top clans too.... and wtf are you on about man? Were past tense?

the top 6 clans I listed would win every single 1v1/TG type tournament in any known map played atm... that includes CBA - CBA Hero - RCB.

Most of the clans I mentioned are a bit inactive atm but it doesnt change anything 11.

you guys past tense