I do think the secret vote is the best and fairest way still. Looking at both tiws i think the first one favoured cbs while the second one favoured bloods. I was actually surprised at some of the votes and think certain maps didnt get as many votes cause well they expected other clans to vote on it. There is nothing against lobbying other clans to vote for certain maps anyway plus we dont even know who will be involved.
Now going on the previous system each clan voted for 5 1v1 maps, 5 2v2 maps, 10 3v3/4v4 maps. What if we allow a clan to vote for the same map twice (no more) in the same section? So for example they could vote desert, desert, cba hero, cba hero, smosh in say the 1v1 section. What that would mean is they wouldnt have as much of a say on the other maps voted for in that section but at the same time it means they can influence their prefered picks being included more.
I actually think votes would be alot different anyway and while i understand cbs make up the vast majority of cs i also think alot of the dip in other maps is because alot took a rest after tiw.
I do like the idea of an immunity for each clan but i can also see it creating problems. What if say only the non seeds have an immunity like before but come the semi stage nobody has an immunity?
Each team can pick max 1/2 blood,cb,alternative map per set.
That way vetos would actually pay off. If a team is limited to picking 2 CBs for example in the TG set, then the other team can use two vetos to get rid of these picks without having to worry about the opponent team just picking other CBs instead. Same with bloods and alternative ofc.
Each clan has to select 2 maps from the 3 categories (alt/bloods/CB)
If a clan is a primarily CB team or blood team they can sacrifice one of their veto's to be able to select a third map from bloods or CB to play more to their strength (take it as like a small punishment if your team isnt as well rounded as another)
but all parts of CS have to be selected & played this way and its a much more well rounded format overall.
Every CS-Custom Scenario game is CBA/HERO/RCB. And you want to play tournament with BLOODS/Europe/some shyt no one play..What ?
You need a reality check. NO ONE care about bloods. Prove yourself to be the best with most popular maps and Not some old school shyt. Indian/Paki guys would destroy every old fart clan one by one.
If cb maps are mandatory then they should also be excluded from the random portion of the sets.
Can you at least give a reason? Random is supposed to random. I could also just go ahead and say if Bloods are mandatory then they should be excluded from the random part. But that would be stupid as there is no reason to exclude certain areas from the random parts.
Instead making tournaments for inactive clans and players , who come to forums and votes,
Make a tournament for current active Clans and players. There are many new clans all play cba hero only.
Every tournament goes favor to the blood team which isn't played currently.
So it's not motivation to new players and clans( the teams/players who started playing after bloods dead)
Look at CS lobby for a day. Soo many fmt games. Many clans but they splited by points war. So a Clan tourney for current teams will motivate them and will help them to be as a team. So they will get to know the stuffs , voobly forum votes suggestions / tournament maps etc..
Until this we can only see old 4 teams can play for pride and premium ( why premium when They only come at tourney times )
Can you at least give a reason? Random is supposed to random. I could also just go ahead and say if Bloods are mandatory then they should be excluded from the random part. But that would be stupid as there is no reason to exclude certain areas from the random parts.
Well from everything I've read here it seems as if bloods won't be mandatory....that's why I didn't mention them. I was going off gary's proposed system, I probably should've quoted him.
I think it's important to remember TIW isn't titled "Top CS clan tournament" or "CB Clan tournament".....The previous format was instated in order to get the highest possible quality in the matches while still having a decent turnout.
It's also important to consider that army and a lot of the other people involved in organizing/keeping the tournament active are not interested in a majority CB based competition.
hey guys, zanchy & junior demands rat bloods, also a mod for this, can be something like archers replaced by a cow and their arrows by a rat
PD: gary keep dying like a rat as always > http://www.voobly.com/match/view/14808015
Well from everything I've read here it seems as if bloods won't be mandatory....that's why I didn't mention them. I was going off gary's proposed system, I probably should've quoted him.
Yea, I know that you were refering to garys post. But it says "cant be repicked" which obviously implies that the other 2-5 maps are going to be bloods most likely. That way theyre kind of mandatory, too.
I think it's important to remember TIW isn't titled "Top CS clan tournament" or "CB Clan tournament".....The previous format was instated in order to get the highest possible quality in the matches while still having a decent turnout.
It was just titled TiW but it sure couldve been called "Top Blood clan tournament". If (!) the previous format gave CBs and Bloods/Alternative the same weight, then a clan like Epic would have had the same chances of getting to Gold League like you guys, Vicious, had. But you beat even us, a top CBA if not the top CBA clan, 5-2 by winning only all TG maps which were ALL bloods due to the ****ed up map/veto system. It surely did give clans who were also (!) good at CBs the edge since they could use those maps to make a bloods clan waste all their vetos and then still pick the bloods/alt maps they knew they were better in, as seen in Xcel vs Vicious.
It's also important to consider that army and a lot of the other people involved in organizing/keeping the tournament active are not interested in a majority CB based competition.
Yes, but the people voicing their opinion on the forums is just the tip of the iceberg. Youve been Game Management, you should know how small the percentage of the players who would join such a tournament and actually go on the forums is.
I understand all the points you are making malte and I agree with them for the most part.
I just think making this tournament more cb based would make it worse and I don't think vicious would have a team. We had a hard enough time getting people to come out for the last two. (that isn't a threat to withdraw vicious btw....just a statement that I don't think I could get players out if cb maps were mandatory)
Now going on the previous system each clan voted for 5 1v1 maps, 5 2v2 maps, 10 3v3/4v4 maps. What if we allow a clan to vote for the same map twice (no more) in the same section? So for example they could vote desert, desert, cba hero, cba hero, smosh in say the 1v1 section. What that would mean is they wouldnt have as much of a say on the other maps voted for in that section but at the same time it means they can influence their prefered picks being included more.
I actually think votes would be alot different anyway and while i understand cbs make up the vast majority of cs i also think alot of the dip in other maps is because alot took a rest after tiw.
I do like the idea of an immunity for each clan but i can also see it creating problems. What if say only the non seeds have an immunity like before but come the semi stage nobody has an immunity?
1v1 bo5/ 2v2 bo5 / TG bo5.
Each clan has to select 2 maps from the 3 categories (alt/bloods/CB)
If a clan is a primarily CB team or blood team they can sacrifice one of their veto's to be able to select a third map from bloods or CB to play more to their strength (take it as like a small punishment if your team isnt as well rounded as another)
but all parts of CS have to be selected & played this way and its a much more well rounded format overall.
You need a reality check. NO ONE care about bloods. Prove yourself to be the best with most popular maps and Not some old school shyt. Indian/Paki guys would destroy every old fart clan one by one.
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Can you at least give a reason? Random is supposed to random. I could also just go ahead and say if Bloods are mandatory then they should be excluded from the random part. But that would be stupid as there is no reason to exclude certain areas from the random parts.
Make a tournament for current active Clans and players. There are many new clans all play cba hero only.
Every tournament goes favor to the blood team which isn't played currently.
So it's not motivation to new players and clans( the teams/players who started playing after bloods dead)
Look at CS lobby for a day. Soo many fmt games. Many clans but they splited by points war. So a Clan tourney for current teams will motivate them and will help them to be as a team. So they will get to know the stuffs , voobly forum votes suggestions / tournament maps etc..
Until this we can only see old 4 teams can play for pride and premium ( why premium when They only come at tourney times )
Well from everything I've read here it seems as if bloods won't be mandatory....that's why I didn't mention them. I was going off gary's proposed system, I probably should've quoted him.
I think it's important to remember TIW isn't titled "Top CS clan tournament" or "CB Clan tournament".....The previous format was instated in order to get the highest possible quality in the matches while still having a decent turnout.
It's also important to consider that army and a lot of the other people involved in organizing/keeping the tournament active are not interested in a majority CB based competition.
PD: gary keep dying like a rat as always > http://www.voobly.com/match/view/14808015
Eliminate vetoes.
I just think making this tournament more cb based would make it worse and I don't think vicious would have a team. We had a hard enough time getting people to come out for the last two. (that isn't a threat to withdraw vicious btw....just a statement that I don't think I could get players out if cb maps were mandatory)