Can you prune the topic Army1, we don't care for the Eot/7th banter with one another.
I'm okay with expanding 1v1 to bo7 and 2v2 to bo5 and keeping TG to bo5. It depends of the mind sets of the teams, fewer maps chosen should make home maps more secure. I like the idea of more competitive games if this tournament is designed to showcase CS to the AOC community.
Should probably add some ruling on sportsmanship during tournament play. Do we really want everyday **** fights on the Voobly official stream.
Other suggestions i was given was 2 points for 1v1 and 2v2 rounds and 1.5 points for 3v3/4v4 games. Naturally i will go with the majority but in my opinion we dont need any more changes and the set up is fine with just an extra 2 possible games in 2v2. Ive tried to base it as much as possible on WIC and how they done points. 1 point for 1v1 and 2v2 rounds can make the difference between winning and losing a set
Other suggestions i was given was 2 points for 1v1 and 2v2 rounds and 1.5 points for 3v3/4v4 games. Naturally i will go with the majority but in my opinion we dont need any more changes and the set up is fine with just an extra 2 possible games in 2v2. Ive tried to base it as much as possible on WIC and how they done points. 1 point for 1v1 and 2v2 rounds can make the difference between winning and losing a set
Current set up is also fine but with 2v2 as bo5 too. I don't think 1v1 should be worth more than 1 point in a CLAN tournament, but having the 2v2 worth 2 points would be fine also.
Ok guys a few things have been pointed out to me recently naturally i will go the majority.
Changes that will be in place are:
Roster Lock
People cant play for 2 clans in the tourney unless everyone is happy with it. The only people who can join a current clan and play are those that havent played in the tourney
Nova
Can now be picked using odds v even
Map Picks
Map picks dont need to be given until the day of the tourney. Preferably at least 1 hour before it starts
2v2 round
The 2v2 round will now be done on a bo5 basis with 2 home picks each and will remain as 1 point for the winner of the round
Suggestion:
Germs
At least one segment of wall needs to be deleted on the side of the opponent. You cant pick only one unit for example you cant go full chu.
I will go with the majority regarding the suggestion so if you can let me know your thoughts and i will add it if the majority want it added
Germs is an easy fix with units. I remember making a fix in under 10 min for conq/jan spam by limiting spawn to 10-15 max in the triggers. Can make chu/plumb 20 maximum, and jans/conqs 10 maximum each to avoid people making 15 of each and no attack patrolling cata in front if that is such an issue. Tournament ran really well from memory. Could also swap WW and Jan kill rewards around to limit impact of Jans. It's difficult to police rules based on integrity when the lines can so easily be blurred in fast speed - so designing the map to cater to your rules eliminates disputes to an extent.
For 2v2 it can only be played side vs side [p1/p2 vs p3/p4] to prevent inside players ignoring flanks and doubling other inside player. Much like how Gwarz 2v2 is usually played.
The problem Germs has is you have a mix of players who are accustom to open play, and players accustom to defensive hit and run with ranged simulating camping to an extent. I think this is why the map has died off, as it used to be one of the popular and competitive blood maps.
if theres a map where camp wins or gets advantage; instead of editing it, don't add it to map list.. you knew it from the beginning, germs isnt made 10 days ago.. ppl has been playing it over years. you just remember camping is an important factor in it?
you should do something for CBA/CBA Hero if you gonna do something bout Germs. 'cos range civs may cause camping in CBA/CBA hero, 1v1 CBA mayans for example. we didnt have rule such as "no mayans or 2 ranges civ" so far.
let germs as it used to be. expert players always have ways to handle laming.
why change all of the maps to suit one particular group of people? what you're doing is effectively cheating by saying oh you must delete a wall or oh you must only spawn 1 unit, only 15 jan/conq allowed etc...... why not let players play the map how they want, for example...
if player 1 is better at all out classical germs play than player 2, player 2 may try and use a shock tactic / or a diff strategy of play, ie maybe not delete a wall and go 30 archer 10 inf or something alike, it's not cheating... it's using the map in a different way........ if player 1 is truely better he should be able to counter......
it's like in cba, take vezir for example..... im not saying he's a weak player by all accounts, but i dont think war after war head on etc etc he would have ever beat estigma, he so tried other methods and changed up classical gameplay to give himself the advantage and win........
is that cheating? , let's not ruin the tournament by limiting map strategies down to 1 for a particular group of people who can only play 1 strategy like drones -.- the truth is, in my case, player 2 probably had a wider range of skills and was just exploiting the fact player 1 didn't... making him the better player, it's bs if u limit that, voids the entire game
why change all of the maps to suit one particular group of people? what you're doing is effectively cheating by saying oh you must delete a wall or oh you must only spawn 1 unit, only 15 jan/conq allowed etc...... why not let players play the map how they want, for example...
if player 1 is better at all out classical germs play than player 2, player 2 may try and use a shock tactic / or a diff strategy of play, ie maybe not delete a wall and go 30 archer 10 inf or something alike, it's not cheating... it's using the map in a different way........ if player 1 is truely better he should be able to counter......
it's like in cba, take vezir for example..... im not saying he's a weak player by all accounts, but i dont think war after war head on etc etc he would have ever beat estigma, he so tried other methods and changed up classical gameplay to give himself the advantage and win........
is that cheating? , let's not ruin the tournament by limiting map strategies down to 1 for a particular group of people who can only play 1 strategy like drones -.- the truth is, in my case, player 2 probably had a wider range of skills and was just exploiting the fact player 1 didn't... making him the better player, it's bs if u limit that, voids the entire game
opinions of eliminated players are not relevant to the discussion in the tournament. Most people will agree on how they feel germs to be played and basically all except one (in your clan) will admit germs has been ruined for a while now.. so I see nothing wrong in what was suggested.
opinions of eliminated players are not relevant to the discussion in the tournament. Most people will agree on how they feel germs to be played and basically all except one (in your clan) will admit germs has been ruined for a while now.. so I see nothing wrong in what was suggested.
no need to be pissy about it sean, just because you know you need all of these measures in place for a win...... im making a general point as an experienced germs player and i can already feel the fear you have of me playing for 7th lol, been contacting all of vcom already have we? hence why you emphasized my elimination status -.-
i don't blame u tbh.
personally i enjoy playing classically, but now a days even that involves cba laming with jans/conq and mass deleting... why not just allow everything as the map should be played... either that or take map out...
I dont need to explain my side... no one from even clans outside of Eot/7th feel you should be allowed to play... not to mention it was in the rules that you cant play for another clan then join a team and play for them as well... theres 0 fear... dv8/XceL beat 7th.... Eot beat XceL which is basically LC (you/barry) dv8 (Vezir Kuvvy) and XceL (Cena/Krasic) + vash/justin.
just fyi we rate the XceL we beat in the 2nd war as much stronger than 7th is currently (with you) and 7th was few days ago (without you) so please dont get overrate yourself... esp when it comes to tg 11.
I'm okay with expanding 1v1 to bo7 and 2v2 to bo5 and keeping TG to bo5. It depends of the mind sets of the teams, fewer maps chosen should make home maps more secure. I like the idea of more competitive games if this tournament is designed to showcase CS to the AOC community.
Should probably add some ruling on sportsmanship during tournament play. Do we really want everyday **** fights on the Voobly official stream.
Changes that will be in place are:
Roster Lock
People cant play for 2 clans in the tourney unless everyone is happy with it. The only people who can join a current clan and play are those that havent played in the tourney
Nova
Can now be picked using odds v even
Map Picks
Map picks dont need to be given until the day of the tourney. Preferably at least 1 hour before it starts
2v2 round
The 2v2 round will now be done on a bo5 basis with 2 home picks each and will remain as 1 point for the winner of the round
Suggestion:
Germs
At least one segment of wall needs to be deleted on the side of the opponent. You cant pick only one unit for example you cant go full chu.
I will go with the majority regarding the suggestion so if you can let me know your thoughts and i will add it if the majority want it added
For 2v2 it can only be played side vs side [p1/p2 vs p3/p4] to prevent inside players ignoring flanks and doubling other inside player. Much like how Gwarz 2v2 is usually played.
The problem Germs has is you have a mix of players who are accustom to open play, and players accustom to defensive hit and run with ranged simulating camping to an extent. I think this is why the map has died off, as it used to be one of the popular and competitive blood maps.
you should do something for CBA/CBA Hero if you gonna do something bout Germs. 'cos range civs may cause camping in CBA/CBA hero, 1v1 CBA mayans for example. we didnt have rule such as "no mayans or 2 ranges civ" so far.
let germs as it used to be. expert players always have ways to handle laming.
if player 1 is better at all out classical germs play than player 2, player 2 may try and use a shock tactic / or a diff strategy of play, ie maybe not delete a wall and go 30 archer 10 inf or something alike, it's not cheating... it's using the map in a different way........ if player 1 is truely better he should be able to counter......
it's like in cba, take vezir for example..... im not saying he's a weak player by all accounts, but i dont think war after war head on etc etc he would have ever beat estigma, he so tried other methods and changed up classical gameplay to give himself the advantage and win........
is that cheating? , let's not ruin the tournament by limiting map strategies down to 1 for a particular group of people who can only play 1 strategy like drones -.- the truth is, in my case, player 2 probably had a wider range of skills and was just exploiting the fact player 1 didn't... making him the better player, it's bs if u limit that, voids the entire game
if player 1 is better at all out classical germs play than player 2, player 2 may try and use a shock tactic / or a diff strategy of play, ie maybe not delete a wall and go 30 archer 10 inf or something alike, it's not cheating... it's using the map in a different way........ if player 1 is truely better he should be able to counter......
it's like in cba, take vezir for example..... im not saying he's a weak player by all accounts, but i dont think war after war head on etc etc he would have ever beat estigma, he so tried other methods and changed up classical gameplay to give himself the advantage and win........
is that cheating? , let's not ruin the tournament by limiting map strategies down to 1 for a particular group of people who can only play 1 strategy like drones -.- the truth is, in my case, player 2 probably had a wider range of skills and was just exploiting the fact player 1 didn't... making him the better player, it's bs if u limit that, voids the entire game
no need to be pissy about it sean, just because you know you need all of these measures in place for a win...... im making a general point as an experienced germs player and i can already feel the fear you have of me playing for 7th lol, been contacting all of vcom already have we? hence why you emphasized my elimination status -.-
i don't blame u tbh.
personally i enjoy playing classically, but now a days even that involves cba laming with jans/conq and mass deleting... why not just allow everything as the map should be played... either that or take map out...
just fyi we rate the XceL we beat in the 2nd war as much stronger than 7th is currently (with you) and 7th was few days ago (without you) so please dont get overrate yourself... esp when it comes to tg 11.