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NPL Blackforest 4v4 Tournament Criteria & Rules

 4V3NG3R_


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发布15 August 2014 - 8:40 am
Around 40 sign up will come. May be lesser :S
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 1201307


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发布15 August 2014 - 9:30 am
The_Shredder



that is all
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 [PTBNS]fabking


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发布15 August 2014 - 9:49 am
mich wrote:
Zero wins in the MS lounge is a bit too strict. What if a player has say... 10 wins and 40 losses? Those wins could've come from his/her team carrying them to the win. If a player has that kind of ratio, they are still considered noob imo.

Division A is set at NR 40" because if a player can rush at 30" & @ Imp age, they aren't that noob. I don't know of any noobs that can imp before 30". A lot of noobs don't start an army until minute 35" and up.

Division B has no restricted rush times.

Regarding smurfs, we have criteria set so smurfs won't be able to bypass and sneak their way in. Many factors will be checked before any player will be approved for entry. These factors are listed under the Division Criteria.

Do you think 200 games played (from 2012 to present) in the MS lounge for Division A is too much?

Yes I think 100 is better.
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 [PTBNS]fabking


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发布15 August 2014 - 9:57 am
I think also we should have a maximum rate for interm ladder for division A like lets say >1450 as I have seen players with less than 1300 rating and less than 400 games played who have played some games in the interm ladder.
Division A must also have a minimum games played rule such as 20 as not to get a complete newbie to online gaming.

Division B might need a maximum MS Siege lobby rating such as 1600 (since its the minimum starting rating) this could be the RM-team games rating.
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 [LyF]rabid_wolf


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编辑15 August 2014 - 10:10 am通过[LyF]rabid_wolf
why rush is ban?
all ppl should allow to rush. because the possible of rushing is a part of BF.

in BF , people wall. Theres lots of VIL FITES and SCOUT FITES becaus of this, EVEN IN NOOB NOOB games! And that is part of BF!
If rushing is banned, then nobody will wall, it is no longer a part of BF!
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 [LyF]rabid_wolf


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编辑15 August 2014 - 10:12 am通过[LyF]rabid_wolf
ehh? will checking prevent smurf? But how to check multiple acc?

IP? What if internet cafe? Mich said this many times. Even some home IP address always change.

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 [LyF]rabid_wolf


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发布15 August 2014 - 10:15 am
Division A (Beginners Ladder)

No players with a win/loss ratio of 2:1 in the Beginners RM Ladder (minimum of 20 games, e. g. 20 Wins, 3 Losses).
No more than 400 games played.

< 1300 (Beginners Rating)

Min of 20 games is too easy to achieve. Some smurf can create new acc and achieve that number of game in a day or two.

I say, raise the min to 100 or more. 100-400 games. If a 20 gamer can win the tourney, then she is most probly a smurf!
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 [PTBNS]fabking


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发布15 August 2014 - 10:24 am
4V3NG3R_ wrote:
Around 40 sign up will come. May be lesser :S

Well from the first thread we started to suggest this tournament :
http://vooblycommittee.voobly.com/forum/thread/198107
We can see over 95 players said yes to this tournament so I don't think there will be a shortage of sign-ups.
That being said I do think there are more players that fit the criteria for division B than division A .
So division B will be more contested in terms of who gets in and as the old saying goes the early bird gets the worm lol.
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 [PTBNS]fabking


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编辑15 August 2014 - 10:30 am通过[PTBNS]fabking
Min of 20 games is too easy to achieve. Some smurf can create new acc and achieve that number of game in a day or two.

I say, raise the min to 100 or more. 100-400 games. If a 20 gamer can win the tourney, then she is most probly a smurf!

This won't happen because staff members will check their other accounts rating ,games played and other criteria for the tournament and they have the tools to see this easily on on the system.;book
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 Popemi


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编辑15 August 2014 - 1:15 pm通过Popemi
why rush is ban?
all ppl should allow to rush. because the possible of rushing is a part of BF.

in BF , people wall. Theres lots of VIL FITES and SCOUT FITES becaus of this, EVEN IN NOOB NOOB games! And that is part of BF!
If rushing is banned, then nobody will wall, it is no longer a part of BF!

Rush si banned only in Div A (even though it is still discussed, probably will be like that) and is not the same as vill war or SC figths. If u dont wall ok, sometimes players even don´t wall in a "normal setting" BF 11 ;) .I have never played a 40´ no rush so i really dont know but may be players will wall in min 30/35.

About vill and sc war, may be we should specificate if it is allowed WHEN WALLING (or 40´ no rush does not allow any kind of aggressiveness?)
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 Banality


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发布15 August 2014 - 3:33 pm
Division B (Intermediate Ladder)
  • No players with a win/loss ratio of 2:1 in the Intermediate RM Ladder (minimum of 20 games, e. g. 20 Wins, 3 Losses).
  • No more than 200 games played.
  • Players with an aka rating that has reached, or is close to reaching the rating cap.
  • Teams must be split evenly.
  • Maximum of 30 games played in the MS lounge. All ladders combined, but excluding the Intermediate Ladder. The Intermediate Ladder is mirrored with the NPL. DM games do not apply to this rule.
  • No zero gamers with an AKA rating > 1500.
  • < 1500 (Intermediate Rating)

Looking at this criteria I'm a little confused, I'm probably being dense but can someone clear this understanding up for me. Where it says "No more than 200 games played" is that in Intermediate ladder or does it also include Beginners ladder?

Also where it says "No players with a win/loss ratio of 2:1 in the Intermediate RM Ladder" is this only applied to the Intermediate ladder? eg if a player had 30 wins and 10 losses in the Beginners ladder they would still be eligible for the Intermediate ladder?

Thanks
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 [PTBNS]fabking


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编辑15 August 2014 - 3:42 pm通过[PTBNS]fabking
Banality wrote:
Division B (Intermediate Ladder)
  • No players with a win/loss ratio of 2:1 in the Intermediate RM Ladder (minimum of 20 games, e. g. 20 Wins, 3 Losses).
  • No more than 200 games played.
  • Players with an aka rating that has reached, or is close to reaching the rating cap.
  • Teams must be split evenly.
  • Maximum of 30 games played in the MS lounge. All ladders combined, but excluding the Intermediate Ladder. The Intermediate Ladder is mirrored with the NPL. DM games do not apply to this rule.
  • No zero gamers with an AKA rating > 1500.
  • < 1500 (Intermediate Rating)

Looking at this criteria I'm a little confused, I'm probably being dense but can someone clear this understanding up for me. Where it says "No more than 200 games played" is that in Intermediate ladder or does it also include Beginners ladder?

Also where it says "No players with a win/loss ratio of 2:1 in the Intermediate RM Ladder" is this only applied to the Intermediate ladder? eg if a player had 30 wins and 10 losses in the Beginners ladder they would still be eligible for the Intermediate ladder?

Thanks

Yes 200 games on the intermediate Ladder and the ratio is also for the Intermediate Ladder.
With 2:1 ratio on beginners ladder like 30-10 they wouldn't be allowed to play Division A so they must go to division B.
Good question though.
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 Banality


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发布15 August 2014 - 3:47 pm
Thankyou! That's good because a good lot of my friends only play in Beginners ladder because Intermediate ladder isn't really played all that often, so it's good the Intermediate criteria doesn't collide with Beginners ladder stats, cheers man :)
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 mich


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编辑15 August 2014 - 8:09 pm通过mich
[LyF]rabid_wolf

You keep asking about smurfs, IP checking, cyber cafes, etc. Let the VCOM Hosts worry about it. We can't discuss the details, but we have many ways of checking and verifying these things.

More and more people are mentioning the NR 40" in Division A. A lot of you who are mentioning it don't even qualify for Division A. I would like to see what the players think about this who actually fit there.

We can raise the minimum games in A to 50. Keep in mind though, this is suppose to be a "New Player" tournament. We don't want to go too far or else it won't be one lol

Changed to 100 games played (from 2012 to present) in the MS lounge for Division A.

Discussions and ideas are good though ;)
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 mich


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编辑15 August 2014 - 9:36 pm通过mich
I have gathered the suggested changes (in red).

Division Criteria


Division A (Beginners Ladder)
  • No players with a win/loss ratio of 2:1 in the Beginners RM Ladder (Example: 40 Wins, 20 Losses).
  • No more than 400 games played on the Beginners RM Ladder.
  • Minimum of 50 games played on the Beginners Ladder.
  • Maximum of 100 games played in the MS lounge from 2012.
  • No rush game - 40" until you can start attacking.
  • No AKA ratings > 1300.
  • < 1300 (Beginners Rating).
  • Teams must be split evenly.

Division B (Intermediate Ladder)
  • No players with a win/loss ratio of 2:1 in the Intermediate RM Ladder (Example: 80 Wins, 40 Losses).
  • No more than 200 games played on the Intermediate RM Ladder.
  • Minimum of 25 games played on the Intermediate Ladder.
  • Maximum of 400 games played in the MS lounge from 2012. All ladders combined, but excluding the Intermediate Ladder. The Intermediate Ladder is mirrored with the NPL. DM games do not apply to this rule.
  • No AKA ratings > 1500.
  • < 1500 (Intermediate Rating)
  • Teams must be split evenly.



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