Simple as the title says, this map needs to return to its bases, a map of heroes deciding who wins the game, lately handling sabs that get stuck at the spawn no matter how much space you leave it happens in 90% of cases made game very unplayable.

also I feel like you don't care about the will of your community when those in charge make updates without anyone validating it.

All this without taking into account that no matter how clean your installation of the game is, it keeps lagging and becomes dense or the units stumble as if you were using a toaster, the gameplay is totally broken..

IMO should be like old style, with some changes but without sabs, maybe some weird new heroes(trial test version)

what you think guys?

I'll make a pool >

Good luck, you won't get any feedback besides the usual trash talking and "It's all Voobly's fault" statements. It's now possible to play 1.6 without the new civs by selecting AOC Random... you'd better focus on moving to the latest patch first.

never used to feel like the whole "voobly thing" just some selfish group, besides this ain't an argument valid proving me wrong about the problem, but if you feel fine about it, there no more words can tell, do whatever you want

Don't get me wrong, what you suggested above has been tried in the past six years. The recent map changes are the answer to countless CS complaints we have to deal with with every week. Same goes for this.

In my case, saboteurs seem completely useless to me. I don't know whose idea it was, but I didn't think it was a good one.

CBA HERO lost its essence by adding that end-game unit. It lost the essence of spending 3 or 4 hours fighting with SGK and towers, waiting for the moment to rush... among other things.
Introducing saboteurs was like telling the player: "Go and finish the game already."

With the new "heroes," I would like to see other heroes in the game, to see heroes we were able to play in the classic campaigns. I think it would bring back a bit of nostalgia for the most veteran players (speaking in terms of years of a person's life).

Just my humble opinion.

I agree with this, this should change and try to add some other extra bonuses apart from heroes, in long games sometimes you ran out of resources too and it was unfair apart from making the game more unbalanced saboteurs being very decisive to win even worse for noobs.

For Ex:

at 2500 kills you get only for once 20 haralds with +100HP / 10AP +1 range extra reinforcement to help you defend yourself in case you leading in trouble against many players.

3k kills SGK +20% spawn speed

3.5k 20 martels with +100HP/10 AP +1 range extra only for once too

4k SGK +30% spawn speed + 50K of all resources

4.5k only for once you get 80 william wallace with +200 HP +10AP

5K Double spawn SGK +100k of all resources

all of this change obviously as a trial mood till we get balanced final versión

That would lead to never ending games again we then have to watch given all the complaints. Altair has already pointed it out: go and finish the game already. After 2k kills we want the game to end as soon as possible.

No one would ever come to the idea and add any of the proposed CBA Hero changes to Smosh. The reason is the same, it would take hours for the match to finish. If we don't want any saboteurs, that's okay, but then remove Kahns and keep either Martels or Harolds as final unit and give it more HP and AP. With Kahns as final unit, only RAMs as siege workshop unit and the BBT spam, the game is going to last forever -- especially if the fed player has to fight two or more players.

Sabs being introduced was one of the worst things ever done. It forces players to delete up to 3 castles and all other production buildings in your base in order to not cause a SAB jam. Even then it still occurs 99% of the time. Additionally, in a top level game, I think sabs are actually a game losing moment for the one who gets it. You can argue that "you just don't know how to use them" but I have seen it with my own eyes the cripping aspect it causes once you get them. Remove sabs atleast!

im a big fanatic of ending games earlier but that means cooperative gameplay, not to lose/win as you said for being trolled/feed, this doesn't solve the main problem of unbearable complaints.
also games actually last forever mostly for crapy playeability, lets say you keep till SGK 2k and at 3k only resourse with non sabs most ppl will agree whenever game fluent(this the main point)

i cant tell from another players but i use to make clean windows 11 install and voobly/aoc too to had no trouble but forums always show many new threads talking about it

Another mechanism would be removing sabs again and letting players run out of resources as we know this from BYO CB or could give them Joan Maiden like in Smosh. You see, there are many options.

Perhaps let's discuss the problems we are having with saboteurs and remove the queuing problems. The player getting saboteurs is supposed to win the game.

I’d like to point out there is a plethora of new heroes added in community patch we could utilise, but that would require people to actually get on board with the new patch.

I have been trying this for months, no luck. Though, the community in NPL is playing 1.6 CBA Hero TTM from time to time.

Well, this is exactly the problem. It used to happen before, but now it doesn't. Besides, we didn't usually use the new patch because it wasn't stable. Maybe now the old patch is like this.

btw IMO sabs makes no sense at all in this map.

https://www.voobly.com/match/view/27229634

ill remember losing this game hitting 3k long minutes before enemy team, don't care how much effort and even know to use sabs, if game stuck and run like 2 frames per second you still can lose this, the main point is that was suposed to happend not doesnt not only unfair, now became random win

for ex in gwarz if you get 30 raze spawn sabs to win the game alone and still fair, hero wasnt made for sabs

not playing cba or this game in general is the remake you need in your life